Entry List

[Neil McRae]

Hello,

Click Here (http://www.uktruggypro.com/reg09/drivers.php) for a list of entrants. Note this is not confirmed as yet as there was some payments made today and I need to update the list. However, if you have paid you are CONFIRMED. On Sunday confirmed list will be added.

Regards,
Neil.

[stot]

thank you niel know your work load well done dude

[Neil McRae]

workload would be fine if freaking white stuff would stop falling from the sky!

[stot]

glad i not racing this weekend... even more glad not going on long drive with you at the speeds you attain lol life is good :)

[stot]

i know he looks like there are two of him on the track at once but bellwood racing twice thats tallent dude lol:)

[Tonyd]

Hi Neil
Could you please tell me what a clubman is, because if it's what you told me last year, about shop drivers, there are a few on your list that are not clubmen.???
Cheers
Tony

[karlst]

Hi Neil
Could you please tell me what a clubman is, because if it's what you told me last year, about shop drivers, there are a few on your list that are not clubmen.???
Cheers
Tony

Neil, i have just sent you a pm about this also :D :D

[MGilmore]

Hi Neil
Could you please tell me what a clubman is, because if it's what you told me last year, about shop drivers, there are a few on your list that are not clubmen.???
Cheers
Tony

I had read last year that it was someone who is not sponsored nor involved with the model car trade. i.e. a true privateer. I'd say that ruled out shop supported drivers.

[Gasaxe]

nice to see alot of clubmans again this year

[karlst]

i think we need Neil to clarify this before we all go making assumptions

[Neko]

I'm sure we went all through this the last two years!

[Tonyd]

You may well of gone through this before, but the new drivers may not know
There are a few on the list that are shop backed, so if this is the case it needs sorting before the first meeting
Tony

[MGilmore]

This question was asked on another forum and went something like:

(Q) What is the qualifying criteria of a competitor being classed as a Clubman

(A) Someone who is not sponsored nor involved with the model car trade. i.e. a true privateer.

(Q) So How Does A Shop Drive Fair. Ie I Just Get A Shop Drive Discount No More. Nothing For Free.

(A) Not included.

[Neil McRae]

yes its true privateers and i noticed a few strange suspects so will be fixing this shortly :D a few people have owned up as they didn't understand.

[karlst]

well im glad thats being sorted, thanks for the reply pm Neil

[stot]

all down to hounesty lads if you get cheap bits or free bits the its not sportsman like to enter clubmans....you know who you are:)

[Gasaxe]

Neil sent you a PM
Can you have a look at it and confirm one way or the other

Thanks


+++++++ Ok thanks for the fast reply ++++++++++++

[Jon Dell]

Neil,

The rules and regs for '09 season don't seem to be available online, so in light of this, please could you confirm the format for the 2 day national. i.e, practice rounds?, how many qualifying rounds? length of qualifying runs? planned final lengths? Christmas tree final format or single side-ed?

Cheers

Jon

[stot]

should be double sided xmas tree finals the qualifying length and numbers and final lengths will depend on number of entrants we aim for as much track time as possible for everyone niel will give better idea

[plod]

all down to hounesty lads if you get cheap bits or free bits the its not sportsman like to enter clubmans....you know who you are:)

Hands up

Mis understood the question, sorry :o

[Jon Dell]

should be double sided xmas tree finals the qualifying length and numbers and final lengths will depend on number of entrants we aim for as much track time as possible for everyone niel will give better idea

Ok, i kinda know what i should be, hence i was asking what the format is going to be, as the rules are not available. Don't mean to flippant, but knowing the schedule will greatly help with pre race arrangements.

[karlst]

all down to hounesty lads if you get cheap bits or free bits the its not sportsman like to enter clubmans....you know who you are:)


but if we didnt know in the first place how can we be honest, i dont class myself as a pro, infact i think im far from it, and yes i do get cheap parts and advice.

at the end of the day there was no rules/regs put up so that first timers can read then fill out the forms correctly.

so if im classed as a pro, then there must be some drivers out there that are GOD!!!! you know all these drivers that get free parts (i.e kits, engines), what about the manafacture drivers? there pro's, not the likes of myself....

Anyways rant over, BRING ON MAY!!!!! WahOOOOOOOO

[stot]

rant no problem we are all here for a fun days racing

niel will sort out some rules for this but club man part of championship is just that for jo blogs mr average club driver..most club member might get a little discount at model shop or be loyal customers and get little discount and thats not a problem but what we had was shop supported drives ie bigger discount and help generally a better driver as promoteing the shop or dist ect an they are not real clubman .. so has been left to you lot to be honest.. there was a lot of agro and moaning over see that bloke he sponsered by bla bla and shouldnt be clubman we just wish to avoid that if poss sure niel will put it better when he gets a chance

thankyou and look forward to seeing you all

[plod]

Well I see myself as the average club racer, but do get discount from my local model shop as payback for supporting them in any way I can.

So it just seems easy to get confused, as I thought it more of "pro" drivers who get proper support, as opposed to peeps like me getting a bit of discount.

So apologies for putting it down wrong :o

[gray]

Well i had a bit of support last year and im crap but i still pulled out of the clubmans and went with the pros (jeez im avin a larf:p ) Bit of a pain but the rule was there and to be honest the "bit of support" was quite a good deal and far out weighed whether i drove clubmans or not.
So the fact i wasnt in clubmans was a joke really but i had support.....end of story.
What i wont miss this year is Neil taking the pis* out of me:p "Gray sponsored driver Grice" every time he referred to me with the microphone:rolleyes: :D:D
Regards Graham...GTMracing

[Neil McRae]

Chaps
apologies for the rules issue. They are going out in the handbooks this week I believe I will fix the online rules today/tonight:

The clubman rules are unchanged from last year:

[b] There will be Two BRCA Truggy Championships
• The National Championship - all drivers competing at an event during the season.
• The Clubman Championship – Any driver who is completely independent from support of any participant in the Model/Hobby industry. i.e. privateers.


The 2 day event is structured like this SUBJECT TO NUMBER OF ENTRANTS:

6. The annual National Championship 2-day event shall be modelled on the following format: Qualification should run over 5 rounds, with the best 3 rounds to count on a round-by-round basis. Heats should be run in the following sequence:-
Round 1: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
Round 2: 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1
Round 3: 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1, 2, 3, 4
Round 4: 6, 7, 8, 9, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5
Round 5: 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1
Marshalling will be structured so that the final heat for a particular round marshals the first heat in that same round (e.g. for Round 3, heat 4 will marshal heat 5, Round 1 heat 1 would be marshalled by Heat 9). For heats after the first heat of the round, drivers will marshal the race following their own.

7. The top qualifier will be awarded pole position in the Grand Final, with the next 16 qualifiers placed 8 into each semi-final. The other 13 Grand Finalists will be made up from the top 6 drivers from each semi-final and the fastest loser of the two races. The remaining qualifiers will be allocated to all the remaining finals, as decided by the organisers, to enable the maximum number of participants for the second day's racing, with a maximum of 6 drivers moving up from the 1/4 finals to the semi-finals.

[karlst]

is that it? 105 drivers? or has the list not been updated yet?

[keith100]

is that it? 105 drivers? or has the list not been updated yet?

considering the current economic climate 105 so far ain't bad......I didn't think there would be as many, besides a few less means longer finals:)

[Neil McRae]

Indeed, our max is 112 so we're not of total.

[patriotboy]

Neil,

will you be updating the list to confirm those who have paid?

[gray]

is that it? 105 drivers? or has the list not been updated yet?
Blimey mate..where else you going to go, to find over 100 other truck drivers waiting for ya!!:eek:
Regards Graham...GTMracing

[Neil McRae]

Neil,

will you be updating the list to confirm those who have paid?

I will try to avoid that if I can but after the end of the month I will. I've sent out emails to those confirmed and those who have yet to pay today.

Neil.

[Neil McRae]

Drivers lists for each track will be online on Sunday!

Only 6 weeks to go chaps and the good news is that pretty muich all rounds are at capacity!

Cheers,
Neil.

[Simon F]

Great news mush...cant wait:)

[stot]

bring it on ... and some sunshune please:)

[karlst]

Drivers lists for each track will be online on Sunday!

Only 6 weeks to go chaps and the good news is that pretty muich all rounds are at capacity!

Cheers,
Neil.

any news yet Neil?:D

[JamesVenom]

just read this section and i think im in a grey area of what may be definaed as clubmans.

Ive only just started truggy racing as a newbie, only been to the clanfeilds event in september. but technically im a pro?
I run a company called Robo Challenge, we do educational events for schools and supply parts to the robot combat world. One of our supplyers is Horizon hobbies so i get all my stuff from them through the company. does that make me a pro? as im only a complete beginner and dont invest the same budget as most other clubmans teams.

[Neil McRae]

I think thats actually quite black and white - you are not a clubman, it applies to the model trade which you are part of.

Regards,
Neil.

[stot]

sorry if seems harsh.. we have to cut off at some point:( and any one that gets their racing gear at a reduced rate comes under this... it is not a measure of driving standards and after round one we should be seeded into heats according to our ability from round one results welcome on board and hope you have fun:)

[JamesVenom]

Yes does seem harsh and really quite pointless in having a clubmans. I still have to pay for my parts as its my own compnay. Its not like a sponsor where parts are free. thats what i mean. Its a bit like someone getting cheaper parts.

[Adrian E]

There are a great many people who receive support at some level - be it cheap parts from a shop in return for running a few stickers, support from individual manufacturers of parts, distributor support etc right up to the sponsored drivers who get stuff for nothing.

Trying to draw a line under which support at some level is within the spirit of clubmans or not is too grey to distinguish, so I agree with the line taken - any support=non-clubman entry.

The clubmans category is intended to offer a potential reward to the group of people who pay for all their own stuff - there's enough of them that offering an additional incentive is of value to the series.

Personnally I get support from Mirage as a 'B team' driver, which is basically equivelent to a trade discount. It doesn't make me a better driver, but it does mean I'm incentivised to run Mirage products as buying it costs me less. This mainly supports my buggy fix, but clearly the costs of buying tyres and other expensive consumables is significantly less - which means I can either buy more for the same money or complete a race meeting at less cost. Either way I think it's perfectly fair that I'm not covered by the clubmans series.

Adrian

[Neil McRae]

yup and those who get cheaper parts are same as sponsored!

If you want to change this you can at the AGM!

There are many clubmen who outperform the Pro's!

Neil.

[JamesVenom]

I understand your point and it makes sence to an extent however if im honest it seems a pointless exercise to separate people because they save a few quid on tyres and fuel (literaly).

Surely it would be more benificial to the sport to have an entry class where new drivers can enter. This would give people encouragement to join the sport, rather than discourages them beacuse they are having to drive against real pro drivers and dont stand a chance. Instead they can have a good race against people of a similar standard. Speaking as an event organiser myself new people get bored quickly when they get left behind.

This is just my oppinion which i would gladly put forward at an AGM. Im happy to race in the pro class as thats the rules, thank you for the clarification.

[Gasaxe]

the idea is James, that if you are good you get noticest and then get sponsored, but nowadays it seems that if you use someones stuff (eg Mirage) and write a letter to them you can get a sponsorship.This basicly cuts out the local model shop nine times out of ten and puts more money into the importers pocket.

Unless your name is Mr Grice, he gets more sponsorship the lower down the field he finishes ;)

As for clubmans or pro, after round one you will be seeded anyway for the rest of the season, so you will be garrenteed some good close racing, so dont worry just get out there and have some fun

[stot]

80 percent of us do it for the fun and like to see how well we can do it dont mater if we finish 8th or 80 th we know how good or bad we are and those we race with we have fun with our truggies and have a smile on our faces lol see you there dude

[Neil McRae]

I understand your point and it makes sence to an extent however if im honest it seems a pointless exercise to separate people because they save a few quid on tyres and fuel (literaly).

Surely it would be more benificial to the sport to have an entry class where new drivers can enter. This would give people encouragement to join the sport, rather than discourages them beacuse they are having to drive against real pro drivers and dont stand a chance. Instead they can have a good race against people of a similar standard. Speaking as an event organiser myself new people get bored quickly when they get left behind.

This is just my oppinion which i would gladly put forward at an AGM. Im happy to race in the pro class as thats the rules, thank you for the clarification.

James,
What is clear is that you dont understand how we run the races and as a event organiser I'd expect people to have atleast been to an event before they start claiming that things are "pointless".

On race day there is no classification on pro and clubman. Its the championship series.

Our class encourages newcomers specifically. Most new comers get no support from anyone cause they don't know anyone! How you determine who is new is another interesting challenge.

I look forward to your views once you've been!

Regards,
Neil.

[gray]

the idea is James, that if you are good you get noticest and then get sponsored, but nowadays it seems that if you use someones stuff (eg Mirage) and write a letter to them you can get a sponsorship.This basicly cuts out the local model shop nine times out of ten and puts more money into the importers pocket.

Unless your name is Mr Grice, he gets more sponsorship the lower down the field he finishes ;)

As for clubmans or pro, after round one you will be seeded anyway for the rest of the season, so you will be garrenteed some good close racing, so dont worry just get out there and have some fun

Yep Steve, quite an achievement i must say. I actually improved last year (and il say it before you do) which wasnt that hard after first years result:p
Im actualy aiming at the bottom 10 this year and the cash should keep rolling in:rolleyes: ;)
"Mr Grice" :p

[stot]

no mater where you finish though gray you have a smile on your face and thats what it is all about keep up the good work

[JamesVenom]

I mentioned before i had been to an event before and this was only my oppinion. I think i must be miss interpreting you neil as your replys seem quite abrupt, much better to chat in person. Anyway im looking forward to the race see you all there!